Watch it live!

As with rock concerts, watching something on TV never beats watching it live – right there, right then.

This is what motivated me to attend one of the Parliament Committee of Supplies debate for Budget 2009.  I chose the day when the budget Ministry of Education was slated to be discussed, since I have a 5-yr-old who will be most directly impacted by the recommendations laid out by the recent Primary Education Review and Implementation (PERI) Committee report.

It is not my first time attending the Parliament debates, so I took note of some things before going, so that I won’t be turned away.  Dressing is important, as I had a friend who was once rejected by the staff from entry because she was wearing jeans.  From my observations, office wear like business shirts and pants will do, and sometimes I also see some men wear short-sleeved shirts with collar. I also remembered to remove my little Swiss Army knife from my keychain and leave it at home, while switching my phone to a non-camera phone.  Previous experience tells me that I had to deposit these items at the counter before being allowed into the building.  I understand the Swiss Army knife part, since I cannot go on an airplane with that too, but I am always wondering why they don’t allow camera phones.  It is not as if the area accessible by the public has any sensitive information that cannot be leaked out.

However, the most important thing to bring is an identification document – NRIC or driver’s license.  With that, I was issued with a pass indicating which seat number in which row to take.

After going through the necessary security check at the ground floor, I took the lift to level 3, walked along a long corridor until I reached another security checkpoint.  Past this second checkpoint, are some staff who guided me to my seat.  

From my understanding, there are two sides of the Parliament, one with the front row occupied by the Cabinet and back rows occupied by the various SMS, SPS, MS etc; the other side has Mr Low Thia Khiang occupying the middle seat, “eyeball-to-eyeball” with the PM (the exact words I hear from a staff leading a student tour of the Parliament), and other MPs (usually chairpersons of GPCs – the Government Parliamentary Committee – who will also take the respective Ministers to task on policies).  Mr Chiam See Tong sits on one side of the first row, and Ms Sylvia Lim is allocated a seat on the last row, alongside PAP back-benchers and Nominated MPs.

Similarly, the public gallery is divided into 2 sides, and I am glad that I am usually allocated the side facing the opposition MPs.  After entering the public gallery, one has to bow to the Speaker, if Parliament is in session, and take one’s allocated seat as soon as possible.  Anyone can leave anytime, as long as he bows to the Speaker before leaving the gallery.

On this particular day, 10 Feb 2009, the public gallery was quite crowded.  Part of the reason, I understand later from a teacher I know, is that some teachers are asked to attend the session where the Ministry of Education’s budget is debated, so that they have a better understanding of the policies.  Other than the groups of teachers, I observed the usual crowd of retirees who has nothing to do, civil servants who are there to listen to the debates about their own Ministries, students on a tour of the Parliament (and usually causes the most commotion when they enter and leave the public gallery) and a handful of people like me who are interested in watching the debates live.

Other than the actual serious atmosphere experienced, there are a few other things that cannot be observed by simply reading the papers or watching TV news on Parliament.

One thing that striked me time and again, is how big the Parliament chamber seems to me.  It is not about the actual size of the building, but mainly because of the high level of absence I see even when Parliament is in session.  On this particular day, at 1400hrs, I counted that the side of the Parliament I was facing had 12 seats occupied, out of 46 seats in total.  Out of the 12 seats, 3 were the opposition MPs.  At 1500hrs I did another count, this time it was 20 occupied seats.  Although it is common for MPs to walk in and out the chambers, to attend to other matters or take a break, I really think that maybe they should be spending more time within the chambers, even to just listen to the points of other MPs.  If they really has something to attend to, maybe they should take a leave of absence, rather than “mark attendence” and disappear for a large part of the day’s session.

There was also one incident which I witnessed, which is a bad reflection of the personality of a particular MP:  Dr Ong Seh Hong.  When he entered the chamber, he did the same thing as others, take a bow, and moved to his seat.  As he was sitting down, I saw that he popped a candy into his mouth, and with a very fluid action, flicked his left hand towards the back of his seat.  When his left hand returned to meet his right, I saw a clear wrapper sitting on the wooden platform behind his seat!  About an hour later, I checked to see if the wrapper was still there, this time I think I saw 2 wrappers instead!  So maybe that’s why camera phones are not allowed in the public gallery!

Other little interesting things to watch out for are the body languages, tones, accents and bad-hair days for the MPs.  There was a very passionate speech by MP Denise Phua about her observation of the village model in which normal students and special ed students can integrate very well.   When read from the papers, this passion is not adequately conveyed.  As for bad-hair day, it suffices for me to say that I guess many of the MPs would also see a “pointy-hair boss” that day.

The un-reported Lim Hwee Hua – GIC episode

Of course, these little observations are what spiced up the trip to the Parliament, but the main thing I get from being there, instead of relying on mainstream media, are the un-reported stuff.

That day happened to be the day when the budget for Ministry of Finance was debated.  Many MPs, including Ms Sylvia Lim, filed ‘cuts’ asking the Ministry of Finance to disclose how much reserve Singapore still has, and how much losses have the 2 SWFs – GIC and Temasek incurred.

Mrs Lim Hwee Hua, SMS (Senior Minister of State, and yes, they used this acronym there) for Finance, read her reply from her file, and gave a fluent answer (re-hashing) of the Government’s stand on why we should not disclose the amount of reserves we have, and that the SWFs did not do as badly as the various indices tracking the similiar markets.

She also added that Temasek Holding’s portfolio fell 31%.  When it was time for clarification questions, Ms Sylvia Lim rose to ask about the exact figure for losses incurred by GIC, since no specific number was quoted, while the 31% was disclosed for Temasek.  Mrs Lim Hwee Hua was stumped for words for a few seconds, stammered a little, mumbled something about “it was reported during the budget debate last week”, while frantically flipping her file infront of her to look for an answer.  Sylvia Lim spread her hands in a gesture asking “what number”, and Lim Hwee Hua, after not being able to give a specific number, suddenly succumbed and threw out a number, “41%”.  The Speaker was nice to Lim Hwee Hua, seeing that she was not very sure of the number herself, and asked if she wants to clarify the number later.  She took the opportunity, and since it was also time for the recess at 1520hrs, the Speaker declared that the Parliament go into recess.

As I stood up to walk out the public gallery to a much needed toilet break, I saw Minister of Finance Tharman Shanmugaratnam walk towards Lim Hwee Hua.  He did not look fierce, but I assume she must be getting her earful from him right there.

I scoured Straits Times, Zaobao, Channel News Asia, Today, and found no mention of this incident.  So if I did not attend the Parliament live that day, I would not have known such an episode happened.

In any case, I am still eagerly waiting for Mrs Lim Hwee Hua to clarify the figure, the amount that GIC has lost last year.

[Update: see Is the Hansard verbatim, or near-verbatim? for a follow up to this post]

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  • Perspective

    Good report on the Lim Hwee Hua fumble. Better one on the Ong Seh Hong litterbug!

  • http://www.johnharding.com John Harding

    Great reporting! Keep up the good work.

    The Temasek loss of S$58 billion = US$34.8 billion.

    US population is 60+ times greather than Singapore’s.

    US$34.8 billion X 60+ = US$2+ trillion.

    For Singapore’s size, Temasek has lost the equivalent of US$2 trillion, and then some.

    If GIC has lost S$128 billion that would be the US equivalent of US$4.3 trillion, bringing the total loss to over US$6 trillion.

    What an enormous disaster for the people of Singapore!

  • wah lau eh

    MPs must show good example at all times. How can MP litter in important place. MP has no respect for the place. This MP do once never get caught will do again.

    Can parliment speaker fine $500 to MPs that litter? He do this outside police or teh gu catch him will kena fine & job orders to clear leaf for punishment.

    If parliment speaker dont do anything, tell to STOMP & make him pai seh & change his bad habit.

    This MP from Marine parade GRC. Now days Marine parade central & East coast park very dirty. Litter throw down every where. MP must be the good example to bring clean habit to this areas.

    This man litter in parliment with the cheng hu inside means he is brave to do in other place where got no cheng hu.

    Doing doctor operation if he throw sweet wrapper inside people body how. X ray can show wrapper or not. Good advise from health ministry. Go JB for medical. Cheap & safer.

  • choongyong.koh

    @John Harding: I think your extrapolation is a little far fetched. I think we should just look at the amount lost by Temasek and GIC.

  • choongyong.koh

    @wah lau eh: your extrapolation is also quite dramatic. In any case, I cited the example as one of many interesting things one can see (and will never be reported in mainstream media) if one attends the Parliament sessions live. I don’t have any intention to speculate whether such behaviour extends to other instances where I did not witness.

  • Ah Loh

    great news except the majority voters do not get to read this pc of report.

    local news will never report such news, very sad but it is true.
    may be one day, one day, they will be more open.

    and majority voters are interested in the little nyonya, HDB price, GST credits, handouts, soup kitchens, etc.
    when they ever wake up? nobody knows, it may too late when they wake up someday.

    thank you for your efforts.

    yes, GIC should clarify the actual figure that is lost.

    i hope Honorable Sylvia Lim continues to keep up her good work at the parliament, she is a minister material.

    perhaps one day, we will all know how much are our reserves–past and current, and how are these reserves connected to GIC and temasick.

    did you see Nathan at the parliament? he is the keeper of our reserves, he should be there to take some serious questions and answer them openly.

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  • Ong KL

    Hi Koh CY,

    Thank you so much for an insightful first hand report.
    I have learnt a lot from the few seemingly insignificant episodes.
    They are the real things that reveal the behaviour and probably the character of important people who are of concern to all of us Singaporeans.
    KL Ong.

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  • http://geraldgiam.sg Gerald Giam

    Thanks for pointing this out. It’s interesting the stuff you hear and see in Parliament, that isn’t reported in the media. When I attended Parliament on 6 Feb (report here, I heard Grace Fu say that HDB doesn’t even plan 7 months ahead. I wrote it down at once. I don’t think the MSM reported it, and the Hansard is still not out. I have a feeling it will omit that line too.

    I hope more bloggers can make the effort to attend Parliament and report on it. Maybe we should have a citizen reporter’s roster for Parliament sessions!

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  • http://houganger.blogspot.com/ Lee Chee Wai

    Thanks for the account, Choong Yong. I look forward to seeing the transcripts when they are released. The last figure of GIC losses (not sure if it includes paper losses) I have read about online is approximately S$200 billion out of a portfolio of S$550 billion. I am not aware of where the article (I don’t think it was a blog) got its sources from, but it appears to match up with Lim Hwee Hua’s 41% figure. I guess we’ll find out when they make a formal clarification.

    Gerald Giam – the latest parliamentary proceedings are of Jan 22 2009, we should be getting that particular transcript within the next two weeks. I have also read about the 7 months thing … would be interesting to see if it shows up on the transcripts.

  • George

    Can a complaint be lodged with the Speaker, clerk of parliament or even the NEA for littering in the country’s highest forum!

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  • TANZZZZZ

    Dear CY,
    I am impressed by the detail account of your reporting and with the very selective reporting of our media, the citizens of Singapore can only count on people like yourself to give us an objective account of what goes on in Parliament.

    It is indeed sad that we have been caught up in this global maelstrom and that so much of our savings have been affected. It is even sadder that the people who have been entrusted with these savings have not been transparent and has not shown the kind of accountability that is expected of them.

    GIC’s loss is understandable as its supposed to be our foreign reserves and we should invest them globally. However, Temasek’s loss is the real tragedy as its source of income is from Singapore and it should not have ventured overseas. Instead it sold of some of Singapore’s most successful enterprises (HDB and PWD for example) to foreign owners. I strongly believe that this is strategically wrong in building up our country. It should have invested in ways to develop Singapore’s strengths, commercialize them and then find ways to export these strengths to earn foreign income.

    Singapore is a city state, as such we have many natural strengths and also natural weaknesses. An example of this is our small size. This makes it much easier to manage and govern, but the flip side is that we are resource poor. The only resource that we have is people. Our citizens. Thus we should invest in them and find ways to enlarge this resource and also to improve the quality of this resource. Then we should export this resource.

    As a city state, we lack a natural hinterland. When I was in school, I was taught that our hinterland was SE Asia. I believe that today with globalisation, our hinterland should be the world. Temasek’s investment should be in areas where we are successful in like education, tourism, trade, city management services and even things like social integration not in real estate or in finance and banking.

    Today’s blogs are filled with much angst and frustration. I am hopeful that we should see more blogs about how we can have a better country and a better government. I am hopeful that through blogs like yours we can give more constructive views and ideas on what the government should do instead of accepting their views wholesale. In this way we can hopefully push them towards alternative views.

    In conclusion we can strive towards a more civic minded community and government through blogs.

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  • Toh S.H.

    I noted from the Temasek Website, they invested as a major shareholding in a Pakistan Bank which started listing only from 2003, and also a Indonesia bank.
    Personally, I think they are Very Big Risk as both countries are not steady in their political situation, especially doubtfully with their business transparency culture, put aside their religion background.

  • choongyong.koh

    @Ah Loh: I think the President is not required to attend Parliament unless for special purposes like the opening of a new term of Government.

    @Ong KL: Thanks for your kind words, but I think the best is for you to go and experience it yourself ;)

    @Gerald: Yup, waiting to see how the Hansard records the words from Ms Grace Fu. As for Mrs Lim Hwee Hua’s answer, I doubt that the Hansard will record the hems and haws, since we can see from past Hansard records there does not seem to be (at least I have not seen) any records of “hmm…ah…..” etc.

    @Chee Wai: The figure of 41%, from what I observed, looks more like a number plucked from thin air because she did not have the actual figure off her head. I am actually quite worried that the local blogosphere has taken that and started to make extrapolation and allegations based on the number. Let’s be patient and wait until Mrs Lim Hwee Hua clarifies the figure again on a more official platform.

    @George: I don’t think we need to lodge a complaint. The reason I brought it up is just that: an observation that I see that tells me something. There are many official cameras in the Parliament chamber, and if something is to be done about it, it would have already be done.

    @TANZZZZZ: I disagree with your statement that “today’s blogs are filled with much angst and frustration”. That seems to be the ‘official impression’ that people like Rear Adm (NS) Lui Tuck Yew would like to impress upon the public. In fact, if you take a quick sample of the socio-political blogs in Singapore, you will find many rational, reasonable, thinking people writing constructive essays.

    @Toh S. H.: Thanks for you comment, but I don’t have the financial background to know whether any single investment done by any of the SWFs are low or high risk.

  • TANZZZZZ

    Dear CY,
    Yes I agree with you that there are a number (and I believe this to be a significant number) of rational and constructive blog writers and readers. Thus my optimism that blogging will hopefully create a pool of ideas and a platform for the constructive debate of these ideas.

    The reason why I say that there is so much angst and frustration is evident from many comments coming across almost like complaints giving the impression that blog forums sometimes end up as emotional outlets. However, I accept that you disagree with me on this.

    This is my first response to any blog and I have chosen yours to write to as I feel that you try very hard to be objective, almost to the point of being non-judgemental.

    I would like to hear your (and also anyone else’s) comments on Temasek not investing outside of Singapore, since its source of capitalization is from within the country. As for the areas of investment, I believe there are many industries that needs nurturing in Singapore. A partnership between Temasek and our SMEs may for instance see the sowing of seeds to create a stable of companies like Creative Technologies and Osim, companies that started out as SMEs and have grown into global brands. I have always wondered why the GLCs are seen to be competing with the private sector instead of strategically working with the private sector?

    What is it that Temasek has that the SMEs do not have and what is it that the SMEs have that Temasek does not have? Why can they not work together to create a stable of companies that will lead Singapore’s new wave of growth into this new 21st century? Such a scenario will certainly create employment, nurture new and revive old industries, create high levels of management expertise, promote the spirit of enterprise and innovation and further develop the Singapore brand. Can you imagine what a warchest of S$2billion can do?

    I hope to get objective views on this as I believe we are all indirectly stakeholders of this entity called Temasek. Its well being will inadvertently benefit all citizens of Singapore.

  • Teo LL

    I think the basic ettiquette of netizens is responsibility. Everyone must be responsible for what they say. People should not go around getting excited and looking out for MPs to make a blunder. When these MPs serve their people, fight for their benefits and contribute to their well-being, WHERE are you? Busy hunting for some opportunity elsewhere. Where is your conscience?

    Looking at the cute photos of Choong Yong & his children, I wondered if you reflected how your blessed and good life came about. It is not from coincidence but the hard labour of our government. Give some respect to these people who try to make our country a better place to live in!

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  • choongyong.koh

    @TANZZZZZ: Ok, now I understand your point of view. I agree even when blogging is a personal platform, we need to be responsible for what we say. I thank you for your encouragement, and your kind words about me being objective. That is one of the things I strive to inject into my posts, both because I am by nature one who will try to look at things from different angles, and also I don’t want to be accused by others to be posting biased views just because I am a member of the Workers’ Party.

    As for your question on the views of how the SWFs should be investing, I have to tell you frankly that as of now I don’t think I have enough knowledge of what they have done to be able to give a fair comment. When I have done enough research, I might write something on this.

    However, I assure you that I will continue to make observations and suggestions in areas that I am confident of. I too will like to see bloggers being taken more seriously by the public.

  • choongyong.koh

    @Teo LL: I agree that everyone must be responsible for what they say. In a similar view, everyone must be responsible for what they have done and not fret when undesirable actions are pointed out by others. :)

    As repeated many times in the replies to the comments here, I did not single out the blunders for the sake of making them look bad. I just wanted to let everyone know that they are missing out certain things if all they are relying on are the main stream media for the news.

    MPs are not the only ones serving their people and fighting for their benefits. There are also many others that contribute in many different ways.

    I am not hiding behind a computer and writing these posts anonymously (like what many people would like to imagine bloggers do), that’s why you can see me using my actual name and showing the photos of my personal life.

    I am also not slacking as you imagined. I won’t go into length about what I am doing to hope to contribute to a better Singapore, but just rest assured that I am taking up enough of my personal time, away from my beloved children, so that they can grow up in a better Singapore.

    I don’t discount the good work done by the Government in building up Singapore. However, as rightly pointed out every time there is a salary increase, they are rightly compensated for their ‘hard labour’. It is also our responsibility as citizens of Singapore to check and ensure that they continue to do the good work. Hopefully your will also give some credit to the other people who are working as hard, if not harder to ensure that good life in Singapore can be continued.

  • Reckon

    To Teo the clown,

    “People should not go around getting excited and looking out for MPs to make a blunder.”

    MPs receive allowance from the people. Is it wrong for the people to question them? KCY is a member of an opposition party who is supposed to provide a check and balance. Is that wrong? Even LTK gets questions from opposition supporters and even the PAP. When the 7 MPs were questioning LTK instead of the Finance Minister, did you say anything? In the same light, they should not get excited and look out for LTK, right?

    “When these MPs serve their people, fight for their benefits and contribute to their well-being, WHERE are you? Busy hunting for some opportunity elsewhere. Where is your conscience?”

    Haha, it is because we have a conscience that we are questioning, not like you. At least KCY is willing to step into the opposition and do something for the country. WHAT ABOUT YOU? WHERE ARE YOU?

    “Looking at the cute photos of Choong Yong & his children, I wondered if you reflected how your blessed and good life came about.”

    Please lar, KCY can have children in any country he is born in. Maybe he will have a better life elsewhere. What has that got to do with the government?

  • http://Nil Bunkincedar

    Hey, it was a very nice read… continue to go to such meetings… because there are certain things that you can only see in person.

    Also by reporting them, it will inadvertently force them to do the most correct thing.

    Also it is fun psychoanalysis.

    :)

  • TANZZZZZ

    To Teo LL
    Have you ever thought that Singapore’s progress is maybe due more to its citizens rather than the government?

    The probability that our success is due to the general hardworking post war generation is much higher than to the government over the last 10 years. Look at Hongkong, Taiwan and Korea. I think they have made as much progress if not more….and that is without the benefit of a PAP. Judging from your comments, I wonder if we have become a nation that needs leadership rather than one that creates leadership? There was a time I believe when we set the benchmark that others follow, today we follow the benchmark of others.

    Anyway, I believe the general consensus is not so much about the non-effectiveness of our government but one where there seems to be a perception that our government should be more accountable for their actions. They have claimed when credit was due but when mistakes or damages occurs I sincerely hope they will be equally stringent on themselves.

    Let’s be more objective in our discussions.

  • http://Yahoo toolangpah

    Bloody bunch of clowns in Parliament. It is an eyewash, farce, charade, etc.

    SMS not knowing their jobs, Finance Mininster allowing big losses, more than 3 million pay President holding key, 19k MPs littering, etc.

    Dont cry for me, Singapore. Someone should consider setting up PAPS Party this election which is coming soon. PAPS .. Party Against Profiteering from Singaporeans.

  • David Lim5

    Singapore do not have any natural resources, thus, We are able to accumulate so much of money. Why?

    Investing in local and then to oversea market more than 20 years ago. Thanks to Temasek for doing a great job as they are able to ‘spread’ their risks globally and mainly to the US.

    Unfortunately, lately, the entire world got hit very badly and even Iceland went bankrupted due to the ‘con’ jobs by those Fund and Trust Managers in the US. Obviously, everyone here just jump on the bandwaqgon and ‘attacked’ Temasek for their failures and so on. Yes, we lost 31% or 41% i.e. S$200 of 500 Billion.

    Question: Did anyone jump on them in the past when Temasek was making a lot of money for the nation? Of course, not.

    Singapore’s top trading partner is the US and and Europe. Investing in these 2 continents is necessary as they are our Top Trading partners especially, the US. We had to show them that we are truly ‘Trading Partners’ and not just a ‘one night stand’ partner. In time of crisis just early 2008, many US banks were running into trouble and obviously, they were ‘good buy’ for Temasek and definately, to show our investment skills, we took up and supported them.

    Unfortunanately, most of them turned out to be ‘bad’ and needed to be bailout by their government.

    A lot of suggestions were made in this forum and Temasek and government authorities should study them and learned from your mistakes.

    There is no ‘quck fix’ to any investment and global recession is for all to suffer too.

    Keep your heads up, Singaporeans.

    Don’t forget that without the US market, we are not able to ‘sell’ our services and products and who will buy from us and we making a lot of money for the nation. We had to be grateful to the US for opening up their doors to us and
    ‘ditching’ them now will be bad for us in the long run. Are we an ‘ally’ of th

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  • Jayme

    Tracked Hansard for recording of exchange; doesn’t look like Lim hwee Hua mentioned anything new about GIC’s performance. Looks like the 41% refers to the world equity index.

    Much ado abou nothing – she seems to be repeationg what she had said before. I suppose that’s why she said ‘it’s in the Hansard”. Let’s wait for Mar 09 numbers for GIC.

  • http://yahoo Teo LL

    It’s perfectly fine to criticise but one must do so fairly and honestly. From the Hansard extracts, it is quite clear that Lim Hwee Hua did not let slip a number unintended for publication, and hence the major media channels ‘did not report’, quite unlike the conspiracy that Choon Yong accused them of. Choon Yong obviously missed her reference to the Hansard and jumped to the wrong conclusion. A juicy account makes for interesting reading but can obviously sting with less than honourable intent. Walk your own talk – be as fair and honest as you want the Government to be.

    Also, mediators to blog should take out netizens who use ‘bad’ language, its just too uncivilised. People who uses vulgar language are usually those who runs out of words in their limited vocabulary!

  • choongyong.koh

    @Teo LL: Please refer to my post Is the Hansard verbatim, or near-verbatim? (http://www.choongyong.com/2009/02/24/is-the-hansard-verbatim-or-near-verbatim/). It is up to you to believe whether I cooked up the incident, but please don’t accuse me of being one who accuses a conspiracy – I merely blogged what I see.

    If I am being asked to testify on what I saw that day, I am going to say the same thing – Mrs Lim Hwee Hua did not say the sentence the same way as what is written in the Hansard.

    And last, my intent, as always been repeated, is to ask people to see for themselves. Only by seeing for yourself will you believe that something like that has happened. No amount of writing from me can convince people that this happened. I am not sure if this intent is not honourable enough for you.

  • ching

    Hi choongyong,

    I’ve been wanting to attend Parliamentary debates but I don’t exactly know where to start with! How do you know the schedules and topic of discussions, and are they always open to public?? Thanks a lot!

  • ching

    oh i just found out, sorry and thanks anyway:)

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